tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post8881280817461204178..comments2023-10-17T08:48:44.310-07:00Comments on Hoosiers For Fair Taxation: The Anti-Patriot: Paul WheelerM Theoryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01892309818226431745noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-4078089203583067762009-07-08T10:09:48.398-07:002009-07-08T10:09:48.398-07:00Tish,
Laura Behney gave me reason not to trust h...Tish, <br /><br />Laura Behney gave me reason not to trust her. And Richard told me a bold faced lie about his business. <br /><br />I have seen first hand reports of his business practices dated as recently as 4/29/2009 that made my hair stand on end. <br /><br />They've treated me and others I know shamefully. They went out of their way not to include the seasoned philosophically grounded liberty activists already working in Indianapolis long before Faux News and Glenn Beck began promoting tea parties. Offers of help were rejected (and ignored) from from day one. <br /><br />Further, I've always been troubled that an Indy Tea Party website existed before the Behneys were named as organizers. That's not grass roots activism. <br /><br />I'm not sure what the answer is for the Behneys, but things aren't adding up. <br /><br />Why doesn't anyone question why they are running donations through a for-profit company and do not disclose financials? <br /><br />Did any of their followers ever check to see if their business filed bankruptcy before donating money to them?M Theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01892309818226431745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-8126074167410596132009-07-08T09:52:58.789-07:002009-07-08T09:52:58.789-07:00Thanks, Melyssa. I, too, was disappointed in the ...Thanks, Melyssa. I, too, was disappointed in the lack of media coverage of the event. However, it did receive local news coverage on all the alphabet channels from what I've been told. Unfortunately, the media aren't too keen to pass our message around and, short of holding a gun to reporters' heads, they cannot be forced to cover us or report on our activities. <br /><br />I inquired and am sure that more than adequate PR efforts were undertaken over the last few months; thus, the lack of coverage was not the fault of the organizers. It was the fault of media bias.<br /><br />At the Tea Party on the 4th, there was a Fair Tax booth. There were several booths gathering signatures for petitions aimed at both state and federal legislation and officials. Representatives of Indiana's Indpendence Caucus were also there. ICaucus focuses on politics on a local level. It is currently scheduling and holding town hall style meetings around the state to provide avenues for people to get politically involved in their communities. It seeks to find people in Indiana who are constitution-based, from any party, to run for local, state and federal offices. It provides people the information to learn how to run for local offices - from dog cather on up - if they're interested. So, I respectfully disagree that we aren't teaching people how to change the course of events in this country.<br /><br />As for the Behney's, I trust them and will continue to do so until given a reason not to.<br /><br />Take care, Melyssa.Tishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-28849194719471629902009-07-08T06:58:20.596-07:002009-07-08T06:58:20.596-07:00I was surprised that the turn out was as good as i...I was surprised that the turn out was as good as it was considering the weather. Obviously a lot of people care about the direction our country is heading and want to play a part in turning her around. <br /><br />It's a pity that these folks aren't being taught HOW to change the course of this country. <br /><br />These protests will not be effective and will not change a thing. <br /><br />There was virtually no media about them...in spite of the amazing turn out in the rain. And there won't be recognition as long as they are partisan republican Fox News endorsed events focused at the national level and not local government which all of you have the power to influence and change. <br /><br />I don't trust the Behney's based on my personal experience with them, written reports I've read about their business practices, information I've been given by a couple lawyers in town, and other reasons which will come out in time. <br /><br />I know from personal experience not to trust Paul Wheeler. It's a pity too. I once genuinely liked the guy. <br />--Melyssa for HFFTM Theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01892309818226431745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-75789469795905184312009-07-07T21:35:27.428-07:002009-07-07T21:35:27.428-07:00In further defense of the Behney's and for pur...In further defense of the Behney's and for purposes of clarification, it should be noted that the poor turnout for the 4th had nothing to do with the Behney's not listening to the council of non-planning group members. It was the result of the crappy weather. Even in that never-ending downpour, HUNDREDS turned out for the day. I know. I was there welcoming them to the Party. Under such circumstances, I really have a hard time describing the turnout as "poor." We were all amazed at the people who gave up their holiday time with family to march and take part in that day's events.<br /><br />I didn't see anyone "mocked" for stating their feelings about Patriot Paul participating that day. I did see discussion taking place, with many members saying they wholeheartedly disagreed with Patriot Paul's stance, but that they would still attend the Tea Party and fight Patriot Paul and the policies he advocates another day when it was time.<br /><br />TishTishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-62345596488713113402009-07-07T17:42:31.381-07:002009-07-07T17:42:31.381-07:00Mrs. Irish Guy,
Yes, the Behney's are neophy...Mrs. Irish Guy, <br /><br />Yes, the Behney's are neophytes in politics. So am I. I especially was in 2007 when I led the property tax protests. Are they also neophytes in good manners? It would appear so from how I was treated by them.<br /><br />Success will be achieved by building coalitions and fighting at the REAL grassroots level and that is local. Once we clean up our state, then let the state hold its own against the federal government. That is how it is supposed to work and why the states were given the power they are. What are the Behney's doing to teach the tea party goers anything about local government. <br /><br />It still galls me that the Behney's stand on the state house lawn bitching about the federal bailout and don't say a peep about the bailout happening just yards away in the Indiana State House. <br /><br />Mocked and overridden would be how Laura treated me for stating my view to folks at a different meet up group. <br /><br />And the good news is that the Fair Tax DOES override all taxes including those nasty embedded taxes you don't notice as much. <br /><br />You should get a copy of The Fair Tax Book. It's an easy read and will help you understand the plan brilliantly! <br /><br />And then if you want to help, make a donation to the Indiana Fair Tax folks.I know first hand how hard working they are and the funds would be used to spread the message throughout Indiana.M Theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01892309818226431745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-72766222630515919072009-07-07T06:50:37.457-07:002009-07-07T06:50:37.457-07:00In defense of the Behney's I would like to re...In defense of the Behney's I would like to remind people that they are still neophytes in politics, there will be mistakes made and we just need to see if they learn from them or repeat them. <br /><br />After the disappointing turn out on the 4th, I truly hope that they will listen to council from those who can not attend their planning meetings but email comments as input. I know non planning group members had warned them both about the date and about "Patriot Paul". These people were basically mocked or overridden without discussion. However, for the most part it was their money. Although I have not examined the books, the major production they make out of these events must have left them in the red.<br /><br />As for the "fair tax",In order to gain my personal support, this tax MUST replace all other hidden taxes including but not limited to alcohol, cigarette, gasoline ect. or at the very least, exempt the tax portion of the product from additional sales tax. Asking any citizen to pay a tax on a tax is unfair.Mrs_irish_guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00342835606424262451noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-76243054468786180672009-07-03T22:33:09.157-07:002009-07-03T22:33:09.157-07:00Fair tax - only makes sense, but you have to convi...Fair tax - only makes sense, but you have to convince public officials to let go of their 'religious' attitude toward governing. I'm getting to think it unsurmountable at present. Yes, political parties are irrelevant to democracy; Precedent is irrelevant to democracy; Patriotism is irrelevant to democracy - only what the majority want is relevant to democracy... but the majority of whom? The uninformed, the disinterested, the rich who already have everything and who buy votes (whether directly or indirectly is irrelevant, all politicians do it on some degree - the good ones just don't get caught)? The founding "fathers" were not perfect, but their fear has proven true - we (then the colonies, now the U.S.A.) have replaced one tyrant across an ocean with hundreds of tyrants right here. The fair tax won't happen unless we can prove to the tyrants (a.k.a. relevant public SERVANTS a.k.a. legislators) that it's in their best interest to do so. <br /><br /> The sad truth is that this probably won't go through unless someone figures out how to make lots of money with it- and then it will have been ruined because we've totally obliterated the idea of democracy by allowing those with the most money to have the most influence. Really, can anyone objectively say otherwise? By "objectively" I mean an unemotional response with a logical conclusion.Samuel Lawsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00137624659806196027noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-18154192182846206042009-07-03T12:11:23.227-07:002009-07-03T12:11:23.227-07:00Pete, you need to have this convo with the turncoa...Pete, you need to have this convo with the turncoat. He was warned long ago where the line was and he crossed it intentionally.M Theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01892309818226431745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-53586485290519329872009-07-03T09:13:59.807-07:002009-07-03T09:13:59.807-07:00DI has it right & perhaps a face to face is in...DI has it right & perhaps a face to face is in order to bury hatchets. This stuff is distracting when there are very real issues upon which we agree. Such distractions cede critical ground to those who seek to destroy our freedom.Pete Boggsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-52968684032880313172009-07-02T11:39:30.369-07:002009-07-02T11:39:30.369-07:00Downtown...Yes, these things are possible. Ask my...Downtown...Yes, these things are possible. Ask my socialist and liberal friends. We disagree often and then have beers together. Their friendship comes before politics. <br /><br />However, it is not HFFT that went on the attack. In fact I held my public tongue for months regarding Wheeler. <br /><br />His latest attack on the Libertarian party was more than I could stomach without commentary because the Libertarian networks are THE activists in this city who are producing tangible results on a variety of fronts. <br /><br />I knew the Libertarians would not so much as acknowledge Wheeler's remarks. But to me this is personal since I am the one that that brought that turncoat into our activist network and helped to create the "brand" that became Patriot Paul. <br /><br />BUT for the Libertarians (and me) no one in this town would know Wheeler exists and he's the LAST person in this state that should be reading the Declaration of Independence. He's a statist who is pushing for more (not less) government interference in our personal lives and property.M Theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01892309818226431745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-89000153805897615112009-07-02T08:19:31.799-07:002009-07-02T08:19:31.799-07:00Isn't it possible to have a disagreement with ...Isn't it possible to have a disagreement with someone on an issue without going into full 'attack mode?' <br /><br />Wouldn't it be better to itemize the reasons you think he's wrong and leave it at that? <br /><br />If ranchers shot their lost strays rather than returning them to the herd, they would soon find they have lost the ranch, too.Downtown Indyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06239811599722585898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-75223097594180592502009-07-01T19:06:29.796-07:002009-07-01T19:06:29.796-07:00He prescribes a facelift. Interesting remark from...He prescribes a facelift. Interesting remark from a man obviously enthralled with the superficial and not substance or principle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-20265726266621424862009-07-01T18:38:43.314-07:002009-07-01T18:38:43.314-07:00I'm sure the Behney's love Patriot Paul be...I'm sure the Behney's love Patriot Paul because he has a wardrobe, he doesn't charge a fee, and he trashes the Libertarians. <br /><br />Anybody figure out yet that the Behney's are running protests as a FOR PROFIT corporation? <br />--MelyssaM Theoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01892309818226431745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-71568461921667569982009-07-01T16:23:12.583-07:002009-07-01T16:23:12.583-07:00Why didn't they get Shepard to do it? He's...Why didn't they get Shepard to do it? He's good at keeping party bias out of things when appropriate.<br /><br />And does anyone REALLY want to sit through a whole reading of the Declaration of Independence anyway?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4679367111526265280.post-77638680150665324872009-07-01T15:50:47.081-07:002009-07-01T15:50:47.081-07:00Just a bored old man in a costume with too much ti...Just a bored old man in a costume with too much time on his hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com