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Tuesday, May 27, 2008

Arm yourself with knowledge of history: Similarities between Pearl Harbor and 9-11

From George Washington's blog:

While it occurred some 60 years ago, the attack on Pearl Harbor provides vital information for understanding current events.Intelligence Failures Initially, as shown by this BBC special (which contains interviews with some of the key players), America knew of the Japanese plan to attack Pearl Harbor -- down to the exact date of the attack -- and allowed it to happen to justify America's entry into World War II. The case for foreknowledge is even more definitively made by this short essay by a highly-praised historian summarizing some of the key points (the historian, a World War II veteran, actually agreed with this strategy for getting America into the war, and so does not have any axe to grind).

Indeed, the White House apparently had, a year before Pearl Harbor, launched an 8-point plan to provoke Japan into war against the U.S. (including, for example, an oil embargo). The rationale for this provocation is that the U.S. wanted to aid its allies in fighting the Nazis and other axis powers, and decided that an attack by Japan would be the most advantageous justification for the U.S. to enter WWII.Active Interference with Military's Ability to Defend
It has also recently been discovered that the FDR administration took numerous affirmative steps to ensure that the Japanese attack would be successful.

Read the entire analysis.


John said...

There is an unfortunate increase in 9/11 Troofer bullshit appearing on HFFT. I once enjoyed getting a local perspective on politics with a focus on the libertarian viewpoint. But this is too much. Goodbye, unsubscribing.


John...you are not a subscriber. You've never given this blog or anyone associated with it a dime.

While we fought hard on the local issues for YOU, YOU went back into your comfortable home while WE continued to fight for YOU into the winter out in the streets.

By our account, we don't owe you a damned thing, for you have given nothing.

varangianguard said...

The Pearl Harbor "facts" mentioned - aren't quite the way they are skewed by this kind of revisionism.

In 20/20 hindsight, it might be incorrectly viewed as an intelligence failure, but actually the US was way ahead of the curve with crypto-analysis.
"Highly praised" historian is as highly subjective as their subject matter. His agreement with his own theory is simply self-fulfilling self-justification.

Bah. Humbug. Pffft.

The US actually was vainly hoping for continued neutrality in Asia. It was counter to the Germany First strategy that FDR had agreed to with Churchill.

I could put anybody to sleep with a lengthy refutation of this crappy piece of fiction. Bring beer and chips.

in other words, find something else to bolster 9-11 fantasies with. This one falls flat.


V, thanks for giving us information to back up your opinion. And to think, you can do all that without resorting to calling people names and threatening to withhold a non-existent subscription to this blog!

Glad you are reader. You are welcome to write a rebuttal. It will get published.

John said...

By "subscribe" I meant my RSS feed reader, I was making no reference to a paid subscription.

I've been to every tax protest that I could make it to, I've given with time and financially to libertarian candidates and the party in general. I'm by no means an inactive participant.

I just get frustrated that 9-ll conspiracy theory nonsense seems to pervade almost every libertarian minded blog out there. It makes the party look foolish.

varangianguard said...

The Cliff's Notes version is this. Robert B. Stinnett has no discernible [i]vitae[/i] other than serving in the Pacific theater of WWII.

He is a "Media Fellow" at that partisan Libertarian "think" tank, because he was a long-time reporter. He isn't a Defense or Public Policy or Foreign Policy Fellow.

His work has not (as far as I can tell) been offered for peer review in any academic historical publication.

Even I find his assumptions and conclusions poorly developed, weakly defined, and hopelessly lacking in anything more than his delusionally lame imagination.

If none of that sways anyone, the longer version would fall on deaf ears as well.


John, First of all this blog does not speak for the Libertarian Party. Don't believe it? Just ask the Libertarian party.

Secondly, instead of calling it conspiracy theories, DISPUTE IT WITH FACTS or shut up!

Lately I'm reading that more and more credentialed experts are beginning to believe that the CONSPIRACY is not a theory.

And if more and more people are seeing the light with the government's complicity in 9-11, then maybe there is something to it.

I've followed these theories from the beginning. And while I didn't want to believe them at first, it is hard to ignore SCIENCE.

For instance, do you know what temperature it requires for titanium to dissipate?

John said...

"For instance, do you know what temperature it requires for titanium to dissipate?"

Nice attempt to set up a straw man to knock down. Who's claiming that titanium "dissipated" in any of the collisions? And what exactly do you mean by "dissipation" since it isn't a specific term in regards to metallurgy?

And the planes were made of aluminum anyway.


The jet engines are made partly of titanium...and there isn't a trace left. Why is that?

John said...

I will assume that by "jet engine" you mean the turbines. And I'll repeat the question, who is making the claim that there is no trace of the turbines?

The engine's internal parts were spinning at many tens of thousands of RPMs at the time of the collisions, so it's not hard to imagine that a breakdown in the structure of the engine would cause it to shred to pieces. The pieces would be small and may not be immediately identifiable as parts of a turbine by a layperson, but it requires no fantastic explanation about government cover up.